Being green or protecting wildlife means almost nothing outside US and Europe. There are bigger issues facing people in places like Burundi, Guyana, Yemen and North Korea. They continue to struggle to survive each day. The cheapest bidder always wins when you live off less than $1 a day. And you don’t know if there will be a tomorrow if you live in South Africa or Botswana – HIV, TB or malaria can strike at any time. And who cares about the rain forest if you could be killed by a landmine or sniper in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Or care about sustainable farming when you have no food in Zimbabwe. Or about the poor wild animals if you are a refugee in Tanzania trying to make it through another day.
People are starting to bitch about the wildlife in east Africa being threatened by refugees. The influx of people, a half a million in Tanzania alone, has had an enormous impact on wildlife. And these refugees are hunting any animal with a bit of meat on to eat or trade. One of the reasons is that the aid agencies don’t provide any meat for refugees. No, it is all beans and cereal for them – with a bit of vitamin fortified foods thrown in.
Come on people, this is Africa. We need our meat. We think chicken is a salad. How can you for one minute think we can survive on beans and cereal? We’re not British you know. I don’t know any African vegetarians. I am sure there might be a few. But they don’t hang around the fire often. We need meat like you need to breathe. Without that we just aren’t human or even feel half alive. Please leave your morals at the door if you want to criticise us – we have enough on you to let this one slip by.
A very good friend of mine, French unfortunately, once tried to convince me that the world can feed everyone if we only turned cattle farming into farming of plants – sorry wheat and stuff. All nice when you have your red wine and baguette, but where do you think the cheese come from? And many of us in Africa judge wealth by the ownership of cattle. Too much of a culture shock for us to stop breeding and eating cattle. It’s so foreign to us – it’s like me asking you to stop earning money and just work for a nice fresh Cesar salad – with a bit of Ranch dressing, if you’re lucky. All very nice, but you won’t be doing that soon would you?
No, we want our meat and you better get used to it. And we don’t want the stuff you call meat in the West. We don’t want the hormone and steroid injected animals thank you. No, we want our meat to be fresh – living outside and as wild as possible please. You eat your manufactured mush and we will eat our meat. And we will kill it ourselves and not have this ‘I don’t want to see it’ baby attitude. Own it people (thanks Dr Phil). If you want to eat it – see it.
The aid agencies says that they can’t afford to give people meat. Apparently it is not cost effective and the refugees will get everything they need from the beans and cereal. Well, if you don’t pay up then you must shut up. We can’t help it that you can’t afford the meat. We need it to be who we are. Without it we just can’t be African. And don’t judge us. You can’t be you without your guilt and a superiority complex (yes, you are and have one even if you ‘work for the poor’ – we’ve seen the photos). And you can’t live without your precious air. Even if it is slightly polluted. You are who you are and we are who we are.
Which brings me to my last point. We do not believe in saving the environment and wildlife just for saving it. It only has meaning and ‘currency’ if it means something to us. We’ll look after it and protect it if it is valuable enough for us. We have always looked after our environment and kept the balance with nature, when we’ve had the luxury of living a normal life. (But it has been a bit more difficult to maintain since you colonized us). But when we have to decide between us and death or a meaningless life? We choose us. And that includes doing what we have always done. Eating meat. Live with it.
January 24, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Great, eat meat; it’s good for you.
February 19, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Eat what you want but animals are not meaningless- that’s a ridiculous statement and quite sad. African elephants are highly sentient beings as I think you realize (as just one example of animals that shouldn’t be hunted).
Also, as I’m sure you know, the bush meat trade is devastating your continent. Ignore it at your own peril.
March 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I remember a long time ago I watched a TV program about how the people of England were trying to cope with poverty and food needs just after the II WW. One of the main objectives of the government was how to produce more meat. I guess some people in these areas forget how it was back then. Now they are mainly concerned with polution and carbon dioxide produced by 4×4 3 litre luxury cars and the main subject is climate change. At the same time (I live in the UK now) the English breakfast seems to be quite popular. To those who don’t know what an English breakfast is, it consists of a fat sausage, beens, eggs, mushrooms, tomatos, all on one plate. And I see many people eating this at 10AM during their break at work and then at 1PM they rush to the restaurant to eat another meat meal. I really don’t see many vegeterians around here.
However, all the media are engouraging us the Europeans to eat more fish, because it’s more healthy. Maybe, but then when we look at Spain, now the south of the Mediterranean Sea is going to be overwhelmed by jellyfish colonies (this expansion will last for the next decades to come) simply because of the environmental imbalance caused by too many people eating fish, pink large prawns, all a natural enemies of jellyfish.
But really who cares? After all we will all perish sooner or later.
Regards.
March 4, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Despite an evident belief in their own superiority, many anglo-saxon people have a difficulty in thinking outside of their square: How can we eat meat without farming animals to ensure that we don’t drive them to extinction?
It’s a frustration for many people besides Africans, although for poorer Africans it must be a particularly pressing concern.
In fact I will be visiting an African country for the first time ever in just over a week’s time, and very much look forward to seeing and attempting to humbly observe the reality of (unfortunately just one small part) of that massive continent.
March 5, 2008 at 6:26 am
Hey go for it, eat all the meat you like. Of course all that cattle and goat herding is destroying your watersheds and causing desertification but I’m too far away for you to run to for help.
I won’t ask you to consider birth control since that would insult your African pride but as long as you’re rejecting one of our technologies could you consider rejecting them all?
Go ahead kill all your “bush meat” and run your wildlife to extinction. Just don’t act surprised when the western aid dries up and the cargoes of beans and rice stop arriving. We’re using that food now to fuel our SUV’s, sorry chaps.
The residents of Africa have about zero time left to learn to live with their environments or starve. Eating every elephant, rhino, lion and hippo isn’t going to extend that time by more than a few weeks for a very small number of you.
Salvation is going to come from the end of an African hoe or not at all. Good luck with that.
March 6, 2008 at 5:14 pm
“hormone and steroid injected animals”
I like my big stakes , I won’t harp on you if you don’t harp on my steroids.
“And colonized you. normal life before and not after.?”
I find that logic questionable. Roanld Regan once had a radio address for this topic in the late 70′s. The good old days was its theme. Look up Regan in his own voice. (audio book) or I think there is a print version. Regan in his own hand. It addresses that. By the way my commants may not show it but I agree with almost everything you say. It’s those details. I like your columns, therefore I criticize. I hope its contructive for you. After all if you never say OH Really? then you never know,not know, own your own beliefs at all.
March 11, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Being green or protecting wildlife means almost nothing outside US and Europe. There are bigger issues facing people in places like Burundi, Guyana, Yemen and North Korea. They continue to struggle to survive each day. The cheapest bidder always wins when you live off less than $1 a day. And you don’t know if there will be a tomorrow if you live in South Africa or Botswana – HIV, TB or malaria can strike at any time. And who cares about the rain forest if you could be killed by a landmine or sniper in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Or care about sustainable farming when you have no food in Zimbabwe. Or about the poor wild animals if you are a refugee in Tanzania trying to make it through another day.
People are starting to bitch about the wildlife in east Africa being threatened by refugees. The influx of people, a half a million in Tanzania alone, has had an enormous impact on wildlife. And these refugees are hunting any animal with a bit of meat on to eat or trade.
– Agreed. People who are desperate will resort to anything, including hunting any animal with the least bit of meat. Then, as a result of this poor resource management, when every last herd animal has been hunted down and the species driven to extinction, then you will have no animals to hunt or eat at all. That is the ultimate result of the complete lack of environmental concern you claim to exist everywhere in the world outside of the US and Europe.
One of the reasons is that the aid agencies don’t provide any meat for refugees. No, it is all beans and cereal for them – with a bit of vitamin fortified foods thrown in.
– Absolutely. And as such a rabid pro-African, you of all people should not want your fellow people to starve. The fact is, meat of any sort is more expensive than an equivalent amount of plant-based food. Feeding plants to animals, then slaughtering the animals to create food, is obviously going to be more expensive than just eating the plants. To say nothing of the greater storage and perishability costs associated with meat. Beans and fortified cereals are absolutely the proper items for international aid agencies to provide. If the same amount of money that could provide several servings of beans or cereals is instead used to provide 1 serving of meat, that means fewer people will get food, and even more Africans will die. You are therefore arguing that you want more African refugees to die. Frankly, the goal of aid agencies is not to provide a delicious, gourmet, full-course, culturally-appropriate meal for people who are on the run and starving. It is to provide them some very basic necessities (regardless of how good they taste) that will help keep them alive, until they are able to get back on their feet and provide for themselves. Once they do that, then they can choose to eat meat, fruits, vegetables, or whatever else they can grow or afford.
Come on people, this is Africa. We need our meat. We think chicken is a salad.
– “We”? Oh, It’s good to know that you apparently speak for every single resident of the entire continent of Africa. This is very good to know. This means that if I want to know about the life of a refugee in Tanzania, a soldier in Somalia, a subsistence farmer in Botswana, a fisherman in Senegal, a businessman in South Africa, or a professor in Egypt, I can just assume you can speak for them, and assume they all feel perfectly fine about you being their self-appointed representative. That’s fantastic!
How can you for one minute think we can survive on beans and cereal?
– Because any human can survive on beans and cereal. So, unless you are arguing that Africans are not human, Africans can survive on beans and cereal. And remember, “survive” means just barely getting by without *dying*. Beans and cereal won’t provide a delicious, tasty meal. It’s not what a person may have chosen to eat under ideal circumstances. It’s certainly not what I would choose to eat. But being a refugee is hardly an ideal circumstance. As I said above, if and when someone gets back on his feet and is able to provide for himself, he can choose to eat whatever type of food is appealing and affordable to him. But it would be utterly ridiculous for aid agencies to further tax their already limited resources by trying to provide an expensive item such as meat, when they can feed far more people by spending that same money on beans and cereals. Spending this money on meat means feeding less people, and more people dying. Your plan for aid agencies to provide more meat, would directly result in the death of more Africans. Is that what you desire? Because that would be the result of your notion.
We’re not British you know.
– What exactly does that mean? Are you under some sort of misconception that people in England do not eat meat? Before spouting off with ridiculous comments, why don’t you actually check some facts and figures first. Specifically perhaps, check out what the average daily meat consumption of someone in England is, as compared to the average daily meat consumption in Africa.
I don’t know any African vegetarians. I am sure there might be a few.
– Excellent. Good to know that the people you happen to know represent a scientific sampling of the entire population of Africa. Oh, but I forgot, you don’t need to bother with that, since you have already appointed yourself spokesman for every single person on the entire continent.
But they don’t hang around the fire often. We need meat like you need to breathe.
– “We need meat like you need to breathe”? I’m sure this sounded like a good line when you were coming up with grandiose phrases to use in this preposterous rant of yours, but if you expect your argument to be taken seriously, you might want to actually come up with something that is supported by some sort of facts. You’ll have to do better than simply crafting pompous slogans.
Without that we just aren’t human or even feel half alive.
– Like I said before, refugee food aid isn’t about making someone feel great or making them feel like they’re truly “alive” and having a great meal. It’s about providing them some very basic necessities to help keep them from dropping dead.
Please leave your morals at the door if you want to criticise us – we have enough on you to let this one slip by.
– Slip by? You’re the one demanding that international agencies who are spending billions and billions of taxpayer dollars, not only provide basic food that can help keep people alive, but also that they provide the more-expensive food that you personally would like to eat. What exactly is it you are trying to “slip by”?
A very good friend of mine, French unfortunately, once tried to convince me that the world can feed everyone if we only turned cattle farming into farming of plants – sorry wheat and stuff.
– Well, it is a scientific fact that cattle-grazing, or any other sort of meat production is a less efficient use of arable land than growing crops. As it is, the planet does have the capability of feeding every person alive, but there are many obstacles, physical, political, economic, and others, that prevent this from happening. Nonetheless, people are going to eat meat. I, for one, eat meat every day, and would certanly never become a vegetarian. But then, I also have enough money to buy and eat meat, or whatever else I want to eat. I do not rely on free handouts to obtain my food.
All nice when you have your red wine and baguette, but where do you think the cheese come from?
– Huh? Red wine, baguettes, and cheese? What the hell does this have to do with anything?
And many of us in Africa judge wealth by the ownership of cattle.
– Again, this has no relation to anything else you are saying here.
Too much of a culture shock for us to stop breeding and eating cattle.
– No one, with the possible exception of extremist vegetarian or vegan groups, is telling you to stop breeding and eating cattle. That is certainly not the position of any major government or international aid agency. I live in the US, and I can assure you that beef consumption per-person is considerably higher here than it is in Africa. And as I said above, I eat beef on a regular basis, and I have no intention of stopping. So, people should feel free to breed and eat cattle all they want. But your calls for aid agencies to provide beef are utterly ridiculous, and would directly lead to the deaths of many more Africans.
It’s so foreign to us – it’s like me asking you to stop earning money and just work for a nice fresh Cesar salad – with a bit of Ranch dressing, if you’re lucky. All very nice, but you won’t be doing that soon would you?
– What? This analogy is not only incomprehensible, but doesn’t bear any readily discernible relation to the topic at hand.
No, we want our meat and you better get used to it.
Leaving aside your continued use of the royal “we”, if you want meat, you’ve got it. Feel free to eat as much meat as you can raise or hunt. Sure if someone is literally starving, they may over-hunt the animal population of a certain area to the point where a species may become locally extinct, and therefore not available for eating at all anymore. But, that’s a situation that people in that area will have to deal with when it happens. Certainly someone who is starving right this moment, simply wants to eat anything he can, and is not going to worry about potential environmental depletion a year or two down the road.
And we don’t want the stuff you call meat in the West.
– Ah, so not only do you want to dictate to international aid agencies that they have to provide meat, but also exactly what kind of meat they should provide, and how it should be grown and processed. Brilliant plan!
We don’t want the hormone and steroid injected animals thank you.
– This is yet another place where your specious argument falls apart. First you seem to have a misconception that people in Europe and North America don’t eat much meat. But why exactly do you think that there is so much hormone or steroid injected meat? Because demand for meat in those parts of the world is simply so high that pasture-grazing and many traditional methods just aren’t capable of producing enough meat to satisfy demand. Meat producers need to raise as many animals as possible in as little space as possible, and make sure each animal yields the maximum possible amount of meat. Doesn’t quite gel with your assumption that people in Europe or America don’t eat meat, does it?
No, we want our meat to be fresh – living outside and as wild as possible please. You eat your manufactured mush and we will eat our meat.
– That is fine for Africa and Asia, where meat consumption per-capita is lower than Europe or North America, but as I said above, the demand for meat in most western countries is just too high for this model to provide enough meat. Though, there are higher-priced meats also available that come from animals that are “living outside” and “as wild as possible”.
And we will kill it ourselves and not have this ‘I don’t want to see it’ baby attitude. Own it people (thanks Dr Phil). If you want to eat it – see it.
– This is perhaps the one logical point you’ve made in this entire post. Though believe me, you’re doing yourself no favors by quoting “Dr.” Phil. But yes, it’s idiotic how some people want to just eat what they like, while trying not to think about the very thing they are eating. I am not in the meat processing industry, so I have never slaughtered cattle, pigs, or chickens, but I have seen it done, and I have personally caught, cleaned, and cooked fish.
The aid agencies says that they can’t afford to give people meat. Apparently it is not cost effective and the refugees will get everything they need from the beans and cereal.
– They can indeed “afford to give people meat”. but given that meat is more expensive, and they are working with a limited amount of money, they can either spend a certain amount of money on enough meat to feed 1 person, or spend that same amount of money on enough beans and cereal to feed several people. According to your logic, a refugee with a family of 8 to feed, would rather receive half a pound of meat, than 5 pounds of beans and cereal. That way, the whole family can starve to death, but at least while they are dying, they can enjoy the taste and cultural fulfillment that the tiny morsel of meat provided them.
Well, if you don’t pay up then you must shut up.
– Pay up or shut up? Your arrogance thus far has already been unbelievable, but this is truly ridiculous. Who the hell do you think is paying for this food aid to begin with? I’ll tell you who: I am. Every paycheck I make has a significant chunk of money taken out of it by the US government. And it’s money from those taxes levied by western governments on their people, that provides this food aid to begin with. So now that we’ve established who is in fact “paying up”, looks like it’s time for you to “shut up”.
We can’t help it that you can’t afford the meat.
– Your incredible arrogance continues unabated. As I said earlier, aid agencies can afford any type of food. But given that they have a fixed amount of money to work with, they can either feed one person meat or feed several people beans and cereal. If you want them to use that money to buy meat instead of beans and cereal, then you want more Africans to die. Since you feel that you are empowered to speak for all Africans, perhaps you feel comfortable making that life-or-death decision on everyone’s behalf. But forgive me if I don’t buy your unilateral proclamations. Oh, what’s that you say, the aid agencies should be given even more money so that they can afford equivalent quantities of meat to the amounts of beans and cereal they currently provide? Well, you know what? Tough shit. I pay high enough taxes already. I am not interested in paying even higher taxes so that you can sit there feel culturally fulfilled while posting ridiculous blog entries and pretend to speak for everyone who happens to live on the same continent as you.
We need it to be who we are. Without it we just can’t be African.
– We have a saying here in America… “beggars can’t be choosers”. If someone does not like the food that is given to them by an aid agency, he is free to not accept it and not eat it. But those are his *only* choices… he can either accept or not accept the food that is being given to him for free. He is (obviously… at least to most people) in no position to demand some particular type of food be given to him for free. When he is back on his feet and able to provide for himself, he is free to eat as many culturally-fulfilling meat dishes as he feels he needs in order to “be African”.
And don’t judge us. You can’t be you without your guilt and a superiority complex (yes, you are and have one even if you ‘work for the poor’ – we’ve seen the photos).
– Photos? Now what the hell are you talking about? Well, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you are incapable of even hurling insults coherently.
And you can’t live without your precious air. Even if it is slightly polluted. You are who you are and we are who we are.
– Oh, so now you are saying that Africans can live without air? Or is this just a rehash of your earlier nonsensical, grandiose statement? I know you are the sole spokesperson of everyone on the African continent, but I am still going to go ahead and say that if you gave everyone in Africa the choice of whether they could have either air or beef, a remarkably high percentage would choose air.
Which brings me to my last point.
– That’s a relief. I was starting to think this rambling mess would never end.
We do not believe in saving the environment and wildlife just for saving it. It only has meaning and ‘currency’ if it means something to us.
– Obviously anyone is only going to do anything if it means something to them. How about preventing the extinction of the animals that you love to eat so much? So that they continue to be available to eat? Does that mean anything to you?
We’ll look after it and protect it if it is valuable enough for us. We have always looked after our environment and kept the balance with nature, when we’ve had the luxury of living a normal life. (But it has been a bit more difficult to maintain since you colonized us). But when we have to decide between us and death or a meaningless life?
– Yeah… obviously no one expects a person who is on the verge of death to refrain from killing an animal to eat because of larger environmental concerns. But when that continues to happen on a mass scale, and an area is over-hunted, then a few years down the road, there are no animals to hunt there at all anymore, and people have to live with those consequences in the long term. If that’s what they want to do, fine.
We choose us. And that includes doing what we have always done. Eating meat. Live with it.
– Ah, good of you to come back to your original “point”… as if anyone realistically expects anyone to stop eating meat. Well, I guess it’s insane for me to expect a logical argument from someone whose whole identity centers around being “angry”. But what the hell, I had a few minutes to waste dissecting your moronic diatribe. But if you want people to take your argument seriously, you may want to reevaluate being such an “angry African” for a moment, and calm down for at least long enough to say something coherent.
March 12, 2008 at 2:26 pm
“We need our meat. We think chicken is a salad.”
In other words, you’re savages, and proud of it.
March 12, 2008 at 6:50 pm
pandu – now THAT’S cultural tolerance! White folks iz more enlightened than you savvvvvages.
Good lord, get the stick out of your ass.
Meat is delicious.
March 23, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Pangolin -you act like Africans were born yesterday. Africa is where humans started and it’s because they eat meat. Worry about your own backyard.
Cyclonus -you have broken one of the golden rules of blog comments. If you really think anyone is going to read through your lengthy lecture you should start your own blog. Don’t waste our time.
Angry African -just discovered your site and love the article on meat. Keep up the good work. I’ve already sent the link to several friends and will be back for a visit.
Cliff out
March 24, 2008 at 8:25 am
The people of Africa don’t need to change the way they raise cattle themselves and eat the fresh meat. Quite the contrary! Americans need to realize that our meat isn’t good. It’s not healthy, humane nor sustainable. But the industry has made beef so cheap (fast food) that it’s all we know anymore. It’s ruining our health and our environment. Much change is needed here, but it’s going to take a long long time…
April 28, 2008 at 10:26 am
You know, we are ALL animals, whether one likes it or not. You see, our history as animals is a scarcely conceivable 680,000,000 years in length.
For all of that time, eating others has been our stock in trade, despite the feelings of those who find it unseemly. It is neither unhealthy nor is it immoral. It’s a condition, not a fault.
I think the green movement has way out on a limb on this one. They profess to be a movement grounded in science yet they ignore the deepest elements of differentiation between our own kingdom and other forms of life on earth.
Eating others is what seperates us from the protists, archea, bacteria, as well as all plant life of whatever form.
April 29, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I try to refrain from blasting other posters on this website, and only one other time have I done so. But Cyclonus needs at lesson on civility.
“…so I have never slaughtered cattle, pigs, or chickens, but I have seen it done, and I have personally caught, cleaned, and cooked fish.”
You are certainly in touch with life on the hard side, aren’t you, Cyclonus? Should I be impressed by this? Did the fish you clean come from a bed of ice behind a glass counter in the seafood section of your favorite supermarket?
I hate to say this, but you seem to be preaching to the unwashed masses while standing on a pile of your own gold – which you display proudly.
I’m going to guess you are one of those activist high income individuals here in the US who think that they were blessed with money AND brains.
Wrong. You have money all right, you make that clear all though your commentry…
Isn’t there a bit of a ring of hypocricy here?
Here’s my picture of your commentary:
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You are NOT about to give up your love for meat, but you shore as hell ain’t gonna give any to anyone else!
Hell! You pay taxes so YOU are the boss of this situation! Money talks and you got money, so you talk and Africans walk!
Get the hell off my car! I paid for that shine, you lowlifes! So shut up already and don’t complain about the bones you get, you rubbish!
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Ok, that’s a good picture of you attitude which seems to be more “I have money, so shut up and do what I say, not what I do!” than anything else.
You are not only patronizing but as a self-established father figure in this situation, you wouldn’t even make a good father to real children, who learn by example, Cyclonus.
And why the whirlwind Olympian moniker?
May 1, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Hi Angry I feel like getting angry as well sometimes mainly with people who are impossible to talk to. Yeah you eat your meat but, you live in the USA now what you want all that meat for you’ll have a seizure may be thats why your so angry? Or is that the coffee?
I ain’t never been to afrika but i know that africans aren’t big on the vegetarian stuff. Good point about the meat at the refugee centres I never give it a thought but they all seem to live on mealy (whatever that is). From all the pictures coming from africa they’re all eating either maize mash or those little grains cush cush whatever.
When were you last in africa anyway the diet your grandmother ate is probably a far cry from what the people eat there today. For instance take zimbabwee as far as i know the whities back in the early 20th century moved the black population from the highlands and moved them to the areas where the testi fly lived. But out of the goodness of thier hearts began irradicating the teste fly. (similar procedure kenya etc). Which interrupted the traditional african farming practise. David Livingstone that fine christian gentleman who was carried around africa on a sudan because he was so weak shocked the natives when he had hippos shot and began eating it. (I’m not surgesting africans eat hippo meat either im just saying what you know i.e. traditional ways have changed).
Second point AIDS whats that? The people in africa are dying of TB, diarhea, etc deseases of poverty bad water, western diet such as coke. Or have you not read about the AIDSMYTH yet. President Mbeki of south african is tremendous and amazingly intelligent in his effort to stop the abuse of africa by drug companies. Seriously you need to know this try a search if you want under the myth of aids or variations. Or everything the government said about AIDS is false.
Now my third point is there are prostitutes in africa who never get aids. Sure enough on investigation they’re living a more traditional lifestyle which includes pounding maize (which is an import i know, but a grain never the less) but as they never get AIDS because there is no such thing that means they never get TB or diarhea or all the other diseases. I know african wants to develop and have all the things that we whities have like a car (which i haven’t got), or all the lastet techno which i havent’ got apart from the 4 yr all computer. A wide screen televison which i haven’t got, a dish washer (which i havent got). A walk in fridge which i haven’t got two holidays in the sun every year. I have been abroad twice in the past 22 years. One weekend trip which was a disaster and one working holiday.
best wishes angry oh i covenant 22 pound a month to oxfam while living on 7500 a year yeah you read that right rich amercan and i know oxfam ain’t perfect.
May 10, 2008 at 2:58 am
Looks like I’m the only one here who didn’t see a demand from the aid agencies to bring meat to Africa? For me it sounded more like “we have our traditions and we want to follow them and meat is one of them; your help means a lot to us but beans are not sufficient for us so we go on hunting and breeding cattle. don’t take it personally”.
And btw, as far as I know the most important reason of animals’ extinction everywhere (Africa included) is climate change. And greenhouse effect is a work by more or less developed countries – US, Europe, and Asian lions all have their hands in it. Isn’t it stupid to oppose traditional hunting on that ground when the major cause is different?
August 21, 2008 at 5:33 am
well my freind what can be said other than carry on with what you are doing like eating your meat without giving one thought for the animal concerned .you see veganism is not just about abstaing from eating meat but in realizing our interconnectedness to all living things.we are all part of the web and what ever is done to the web comes back to the doer, look around yo,u are you blind to the suffering in our world what do you think is causing that, do you think that humans will ever find true peace while we are making our own bodies graveyards of millions of murdered sentient beings.
so my freind you might be an angry african but what makes your anger and pain any different from an animalsanger and pain. anyway what goes around comes around veganism is a truth who,s time has come indegenous people of the world have long eaten meat and have used the most barbaric methods of killing of course no different from our own slaughter houses, but the truth is for there to be world peace we have to find an other way of sustaing ourselves and living in harmony with the earth and return to our original diet the herbs and the plants have i given to man for meat genisis,animals are not yours to do what you want with them just because you lust after their flesh .but you go right on aheadjust remember one thing that the laws of the universe do not waver and everyone gets there rewards according to the action and thought so if you are in a situation where you would not be able to live without killing an animal for food then maybe you could look into other more gentler ways of obtaing you food peace and love to you my angry african freind
jah love
September 29, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Africans can eat all the meat THEY HAVE in my opinion just don’t expect the USA to send it to you free.
The problem with Africa is all they seem to do produce more uneducated people and little else except bloody civil wars. The entire African continent is copulating itself right off the face of the earth.
November 13, 2008 at 9:44 pm
All Ancient Indian Scriptures ( East Indian) are correct. I mean if anyone of any culture/religion went out of their way and read and understood the Bhagvad Gita this world would be as close to perfect as it could be.
Im a born vegetarian. Strave to death? The only thing vegetarians miss from their diet is sufficient protein. I manage to eat two bowls of lentils a day. Thats equivalent to two steaks. Not bad. On top of that i drink plenty of whey protein as I train 6times aweek.
Until i was 23 years old, I eat way too many hot chips, alcohol and smoked 4 packs a week.
In a complete 18month turnaround, I’ve stopped eating junk, drinking socially and quit smoking.
I went from 22% body fat at 70kgs to an insane 12% bodyfat at 95kgs.
OHH, ALL BY REMAINING A VEGETARIAN.
ONLY THE EVOVLED AND INTELLIGENT CAN BE VEGETARIANS.
When your eating meat, think of what it is your eating.
February 10, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Okay, let’s destroy all the plants and animals in the world…humans can’t survive without them, but the world can survive without humans. I say eat humans
April 1, 2009 at 5:00 pm
we need our meat ugly ass bitches
May 13, 2009 at 9:06 pm
What are you not human? Are you not the same as the rest of us? are you superior? are you lesser? well for one your racist. a seconds is that your an idiot. You don’t need meat any more then an American needs an Suv. Would you rather that all of Africa have beans and cereals and nut or a fifth have meant? The convenience of the few over the needs of the many? Billions of animals are slaughter all over the world for food. Millions starve because to much grain and beans and cereal that you hate so much is diverted to feed cattle. You want us to what?get over it. well first go fuck yourself. come up with a better excuse. Tradition isn’t an excuse. Culture shock? Your defending people becoming a virus moving to one area till it is devoid of life, then moving on.
May 24, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I have possible 28 people who are stealing from me every day so I don’t have $1.00 and I have my father and step mother who told me to leave there house becuase I said he is a father he should help his daughter Janel by being a father and inviting his daughter and her husband over for dinner. Therefore, my father doesn’t want to face the truth and ignore it when I have asked for help due to a death threat of attempted murder therefore, I feel he might be adding to Case No. 09-12848 theft which could be leading to Starvation and my death. There is an amendment to change the law where he possible might be punished for watching this happen and not helping with food due tot he statement mentioned above. Today I will start making the list which already includeds David Mydland, Evoyyne Hutchinson for portaking in known information pertaining to a possible death and not doing anything about it.
December 20, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Fine you want to eat meat fine eat it, until its all gone, but dont come crying afterwards saying you have nothing to eat, nothing lasts for ever so shut up and eat you grain and cerial.
February 19, 2010 at 10:42 am
Mmmm!! A medium well Porterhouse sided with asparagus in garlic, and baked potato. Salmon and pasta. Pork tenderloin and wild rice! Who cares about the eyeballs? They are disgarded with the head. Preserve,conserve,and “yes”,CONSUME. By the way! My hunting and fishing licenses give more to the conservation efforts than the hot air blown out by the beans crowd. Beans, right!! Maybe with the beef on my burrito.
July 13, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Shut up and realize that all you’re going to get to eat is cereal and beans. If you stop hunting the wildlife until its populations are back to normal then you can start killing it for food again. If you kill endangered animals such as rhions and elephants they will go extinct. Those animals mean more to us than they mean to you. If you kill them for food you must not care about them.
July 13, 2010 at 12:50 pm
I do agree with the fact that American meat is full of steroids and that there is a lot of work to do, but until the U.S. fixes that problem you’ll have to eat cereal and beans unless you continue to hunt animals (which some of them are endangered) for food, which should not be happening. Overall Africa and the U.S. both need to fix are problems!
July 14, 2010 at 3:22 pm
One last comment, I believe that Africa does need meat because it’s there tradition to eat it, but instead of killing endangered animals kill animals that are more numerous such as gazelles and baboons.It will not help you one bit to kill the larger animals which are more endangered. Once all of the large animals are gone you’ll start killing smaller ones. Once you kill all of the animals in Africa you’ll be forced to eat a plant based diet or starve. You’re just stabbing yourselves in the back.