What is it with these people? What is it about immigrants that gets people so worked up. There is always someone they need to hide from or get away from. No matter where you go in this world - there is always some immigrant group in a country that is seen as worse than the “original” colonialists… sorry, I mean inhabitants. Yes, every single country I have been to have some group that they look down at and want to get out of “their” country.
Let’s start with South Africa – my home (when I am not working and living in other countries…). It is well documented that South Africans are the most peace loving people in the world. Never had any problems in our history. Just a good old bunch of farmers sweating away in the field and herding our cattle - and hiding from the lions. Just peace and love in our history, right? Not true. As you might know, we’ve had our fair share of problems in the past. Hell, Apartheid was all about immigrants. White (Afrikaner) South Africans saying that this is their place. That they where here first and that they don’t want the black “immigrants” to come and live in their country. And black South Africans arguing that they were here first and did not want the colonialists (immigrants) in their country either. Both stood a better chance of winning the popular vote today because of the rising immigrant debate globally. But both are so bloody wrong. Neither of them where “here” first. That goes to the Khoikhoi (and Khoisan). So neither group actually “owned” South Africa. The one moved in from the north and the other from the South. And the poor Khoikhoi got caught up in the middle – squeezed by both sides and moved on to more arid lands (or stayed and mingled). Of course there are two groups black and white (Afrikaner) South African really don’t like – Nigerians and the English. The English? Well because they are the original colonialist (okay, I know the Dutch landed first, but you know what I mean). And because they are still here talking in their fancy ways and living in the big houses up the hill. You know, generally just looking down at us “locals”. The Nigerians are disliked because they are all seen as drug dealing pimps and scam artists roaming the backstreets and stealing our money. Yes, we in South Africa have our problems with immigrants – you see, it is never our fault. Always the fault of others – the English and the Nigerians. Racism? Of course not. We in South Africa would never do something like that after our own experiences under Apartheid. That would be double standards right?
We should go to China to learn about living in harmony with each other. China doesn’t have a racism problem. You see, according to a study in China “there is no racism in China because there are no black people…” Hum. Yes. The less said the better.
It is a problem in Japan though. Japan is increasingly racist and anti immigrants. It is unheard of for a non-Japanese person to go to the Japanese baths. Why? Because it is apparently a culture clash. But it is not just Westerners that are treated with disrespect. No. Special treatment for those from Korea and China. The anti-immigrant feelings in Japan has always been high. Westerners got off easy as they are not seen as people who will stay long – and there is some notion that these Westerners are well off. But the Chinese and Koreans – now they are bad. They want to take Japanese jobs, stay long and settle, and slowly but surely smother Japanese culture – i.e. take over Japan by stealth. The UN has long warned about deep seated racism in Japan. So don’t think that the Japanese live some wholesome lives – drinking sake and eating sushi. No. The racism of immigrate haters are alive and well over there as well.
And in Eastern Europe? I made a trip to Hungary a few years ago. And guess what. They have their targeted groups as well. Over there it is the Gypsy – or the Romani to be more politically correct. They are spat at and generally looked down at – a universal view of immigrants. They live on their own and do the worse jobs possible. The work no one else wants to do – another universal immigrant tendency. And Kosovo? Without getting into a political debate on whether it is right or wrong for them to declare independence – the “Gypsy” moved into this land while the Serbs lived there. But the treatment of the Gypsy (previously believed to also be Roma) resulted in more conflict and resentment. And we know what happened there.
The immigration debate has come a long way in the UK. Right wing parties like the UK Independence Party and British National Party has long flourished moaning and bitching about immigrants. And now they have even more to target. With the enlargement of the EU more Eastern Europeans have moved to the UK to find work. Yes. They do the worse jobs available – like all immigrants. Those jobs that the British feel they are too good to do. The hard labor and long hours. Because they don’t have that social safety net that the government provides for the “natural” inhabitants. As if a Brit will take on one of those jobs! No. They are too happy to live on the dole and go to the pub each night. Served by a Polak working on below minimum wage. Or a Pakistani working in the chippy where the Brits get their late night snack. No Brit would do work like that.
But it is time to strike back. What the UK did now is make it even more difficult for immigrants to get in. And the immigrants have had enough of this blatant racism. A few of them are taking the Brits to court. Okay, they are a privileged few immigrant. But they have had enough. Enough of the racism that the English call immigration control.
And now we get to the US. Here the immigration ”issue” is a central debate in the elections. Especially immigration from Mexicans – or Hispanics to be exact. It makes little sense to me. Those Americans complaining aren’t Levi 501′s by any stretch of the imagination. They are not original. They came here from elsewhere and are a country of proud American immigrants. I find the fact that Americans can be immensely proud of being American and their original roots unbelievable uplifting. African American or Italian American. It doesn’t matter – you have roots but your soul belongs to America. So why the hatred towards people who did what your father and grandfather did?
Maybe they are scared that these immigrants will do what they did to the original inhabitants – kill them. Yes. That was the traditional way that immigrants dealt with the locals many years ago. Just kills them and put the few that survive in camps they can call their own. The US did it. Australia did it. And South Africa tried it (although oddly enough not with the “real” locals the Khoikhoi). Don’t worry – they won’t do anything to you. We have grown up a bit since you did that. Just don’t be so shit scared of them the whole time. Show them the good time they can have with you as long as they respect the basic rules of engagement in your country.
But there is an even deeper racism in the immigration laws – especially in the UK. You see, it is easy for those from Europe and other rich developed countries to get into the UK. But not for those from Africa. No. We need special visas to prove how we deserve to get in. Not needed for the rich white guy from the US. But you from Uganda? Try again buddy. That’s my real beef with their approach to immigration. They even discriminate against immigrants from different countries differently – I call it deepened and entrenched racism. It was okay to travel to the UK under Apartheid – just flash that passport and your up and away. It was mostly white guys who traveled thanks to the control by the white government over who could travel (white) and who could not (black). Now? Oh, now we have a black government so the UK brings in new laws to make it tougher to get in. Jeez guys, can’t you even attempt a bit harder to hide your racist behavior a bit better. And we thought you were happy Apartheid was over. Thanks for showing how much you really like the new South Africa.
No wait. I should shut up right now. You see there is an advantage to being a non-Hispanic in the US. I am treated like royalty. It’s the accent you see. They think I am “exotic” and full of wisdom. Not really. I am not even an immigrant – just visiting before I invade my next country.

March 5, 2008 at 5:00 pm
you make no sense
March 6, 2008 at 11:38 am
After reviewing your article or opinion I have to say that I can only comment on the US immigration cause thats were I’m from. You really need to do your history and read about what real immigrants did for america. I would be here all day pointing to you the differences between ethnic groups in america so that would be a waste of time. One issues that is most common and seperates citizens from immigrants is that the majority of Mexicans that come over refuse to try and learn english. Only their kids learn it because they attend the free schools. In history you will find that it was common for all immigrants to learn english asap once they were in the new land so that they could fit in and not be so different. This is just one tiny aspect on a much larger grander scale. You ask why does learning the language matter. It does cause they way we are a community that can communicate to each other. The mexicans allow themselves to be hated on because of that.
March 6, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I have no problem with legal immigration. What I have a problem with is people who illegally sneak into my country and then proceed to whine and complain about how things “aren’t fair”.
The courtesies extended to illegals here would never be extended in the countries of origin (i.e. the abuses by the Mexican gov’t on Central Americans illegally entering Mexico).
If you would like to come to this country, please do so legally. Fill out the proper paperwork, pay the fees, don’t come here and be a burden, learn the language, and stay out of trouble.
Respect the country you are traveling or moving to. Is that so difficult to understand?
March 6, 2008 at 12:27 pm
“Oh, now we have a black government so the UK brings in new laws to make it tougher to get in. Jeez guys, can’t you even attempt a bit harder to hide your racist behavior a bit better. And we thought you were happy Apartheid was over. Thanks for showing how much you really like the new South Africa.”
Come now, get off your racism high horse, with the RIFE CORRUPTION at home affairs in SA passports are available for a paltry R500. So any potential terrorist could buy a passport and got to the UK without any problems. Well guess what, other countries are now sick of our corrupt government and its departments.
I too am in the US. I came across as an exceptionally skilled foreign worked. I am on a 3 year work visa which, God willing will be upgraded to permanent residency. I happily applied for the visa, filled in the paperwork and paid the fees due, because I wanted to come here legally. The US owes me nothing, so why should I expect her to change to accommodate me? I chose to come here, so I am the one that has to adapt.
The majority of Americans I have met have been very welcoming to me, being a LEGAL immigrant makes a huge difference.
The politically correct crowd are very quick to cry RACISM, but it has nothing to do with that. it’s about people breaking the law. Why should criminals be rewarded while people that go the legal route, pay the ridiculous fees (thanks to our wonderfully strong Rand) and patiently wait for the visa be shafted?
March 6, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I willing to rubber stamp ie print green card for immigrants with their finger prints on the card and a work visa to go along with it. I want a wall though to stop or rather slow the drugs and illegal immigrants down. Also I am worried about our ERs closeing because of calls on walfare (we call it access) and our welfare growing. The last two can be regulated though. No food stamps for you unless you are working at something until you feel that you want a better job than. Hmm beans tonight for dinner, again. English Only language helps keep out printing costs down. Though we should keep our translators here.
March 7, 2008 at 4:59 am
Generally, you’ve hit the mark, but as revealed in the comments previous to mine, the real issue is not racism/ethnicism. Rather, it is classism. However, the blatant obviousness of calls to screw the poor is unacceptable, even to the rich. And, since being rich is relative, so long has you ever have more than someone else, you can find reason to fear them and reason to say “screw the poor.” So the richer revert to the more acceptable alternative of “racism/ethnicism” – unbelievable as that may seem – and of insisting on protection from criminals and cultural threats, i.e., from “foreigners” and “niggas” and “honkies” and “gooks” and “that vile group of chicken killing, child molesting, devil worshiping, lazy, incredibly stupid and ignorant liars and cheaters and oppressors of evil genius” from over the hill. Racism is nothing but a convenient cover and rationalization for “this is mine and you can’t have it and I won’t share it with you either.”
As I write, the US military has approved purchasing an EU conglomerate’s airplane for its next flying tanker. Many US residents are foaming at the mouth over this. What? A French airplane? To service our mighty and noble killing machines? No, no, no, no, no!
But why, exactly is a French person’s job any less important than an U.S. Person’s? If it’s a matter of my team (the USA) vs their team (the EU) then why isn’t it also a matter of Florida vs Texas? Or Miami vs Orlando? Or Miami vs Miami Beach? Or my street vs their street? Me vs my neighbor? If it’s competition you want, then you should want it whole heartedly – last person standing inherits the world and has it all. No more of this namby-pamby having to share stuff with anybody else. No more of this tedious civilization crap.
But people do want civilization. They do want sharing. They just don’t want to share what they think of as their own stuff. They want to eat their cake and to still have it. They want equality, but only if they can keep their privileges. The conundrum drives them to find some external object to blame and it’s much easier to blame the victim you fear becoming than it is to blame the victimizer you are or desire to be.
It’s a maturation process, but eventually people who grow up realize that cooperation is a more effective strategy than competition and that economic equality is the basis of all equality as well as of effective public and private decision making.
March 7, 2008 at 5:53 am
I don’t think the UK’s new laws for immigration are racist. Its just that we’ve got to the point where the locals are becoming a very small majority in the country within one generation. Immigration needs to be more smooth, and gradual, allowing newcomers to integrate, understand and contribute. The locals, defined as people born in the country, should not feel strangers in their own country. This rule applies anywhere.
PS We’ve still got loads of space
March 8, 2008 at 5:54 am
goo dpoints re racism, but yo’re wrong in the insinuation that brits are too lazy to do crap jobs. the problem is that these crap jobs pay the same as they did ten years ago, whilst housing cost etc have at least doubled in many places. immigrants are being brought in to keep wages down in this country, not out of any act of social altruism. i dont blame immigrants at all for trying to improve their lives, but nether can i complain about people whose standard of living is dropping partly because of immigration being somewhat disgruntled. would you make similar sweeping and disparaging remarks about any other large and varied group of people, as the british “working class” are?
March 10, 2008 at 4:22 pm
@Londoner51:
What you fail to notice is that the majority of un-skilled immigration to the UK at the moment is from other European countries. So why do the restrictions (which will have a very neglible effect on overall immigration numbers) apply to those outside the EU?
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The current HSMP point system has pretty high requirements already. The requirements include age (more points for being younger), education level (extra points for PhD/MBA), english level, extra points for degrees from a UK university, current salary, etc…
An unskilled or uneducated person who speaks poor english would need to have an astronomical salary to get enough points. Yet they just made this current change which is counter productive because the salary requirement means a young person won’t make it, so they’ll be eligible when they are older and bring their family with them. To counter the stupidity of that decison instead of losing valuable educated labour and integrated immigrants who have spent 3-4 years+ in a UK university the government recently introduced the ability for international graduates to stay in the UK and work for a year, after which they can get onto another treadmill to keep them inside (this was copied on the Scottish system, I believe which grants two years after graduation). The US for example does not go in circles trying to hide the facts from a racist population and give the appearance of being “hard” on immigration: 50% of all overseas graduates from US universities remain and work after their degree. The result is that the US has the advantage of research and development despite thet fact that 20% of US born adults think the sun revolves around the earth and only 33% know that DNA has anything remotely to do with genetic inheritance.
It’s the hypocrisy and ridiculous red-tape of the UK that is infuriating. The government knows full well that there is a shortage of one million skilled workers here right now and a lot more for very low paid manual work that employers cannot fill because there are very few local candidates for such work. Yet to placate the racist, xenophobic Sun-readers about immigrants “comin’ ‘ere an takin’ our jobs”, there is all this circus.
If the problem is working class immigrants keeping minimum wage low (a laughable claim: recent reports on the subject in Wales have shown this idea to be unfounded), then why is the high profile public law change aimed at highly skilled immigrants from countries where white people aren’t the majority? What is true on the other hand is that benefit system is often counter productive because of its inherent bad design. Even the bbc news website recently had a story of a british woman on benefits who found out she would take LESS money home each month if she started working. Why work then? And to those who would reply that the benefits are too high, no they are not. The salary discrepancies are enrmous in this country. This woman should still get benefits and help from money taxed from the richer while starting work and help her stand on her own two feet. There are famillies in this country in poor estates where no one has worked for 2-3 generations. That is just plain wrong, instead of blaming the situation on immigrants, maybe the educational system here and the way it excludes and rejects the working class should be addressed. Maybe the “lads” culture of drinking should be looked at. Maybe instead of turning young people with a future into chavs standing in herds outside McDonalds, they should be given a chance. But it is too easy to blame it all on the different ones, the brown ones, the “others”.
Personally it doesn’t affect me, after being for 4 years on a student visa, two years on a working holidaymaker visa, I am currently on a five year Work Permit for a job on the “skill shortage” list. After that I’ll be eligible for Indefinite Leave to Remain. After 4 years of that I could take a British passport (which would make it easier for me to avoid racist administration systems while travelling). Why such a ridiculous process to make it look like they are “cracking” down on the dirty immigrants, while in fact the UK is in desperate need of skilled workers? I work in the Square Mile and believe me there is nowhere near enough British graduates to fill the roles, the overseas graduates getting very highly paid jobs here don’t “take” anyone’s job: most firms would rather not fill a position than fill it with someone unsuitable for the role.
In addition there is often an outcry over immigrants getting benefits. This only applies to a very tiny proportion of immigrants. Most of us have “No recourse to public funds” stamped on our visas. Yes we get NHS access, because like everyone else who works, we pay National Insurance. In fact statistics show that NI and tax contributions from immigrants in the UK in 2007 covered all public expenses for immigrants , so the point is moot.
One guy had a great slogan based on the same idea, he had great political success with the masses with it and they cracked down pretty hard on immigrants, inferior races and other undesirables”: “six million jews, six million german unemployed” said the posters. And a few years ago when the french embarassed themselves by having Monsieur Le Pen in the final round of the presidential election campaigning on a similar “x Arabs, x unemployed” slogan, the British were laughing. Maybe it’s time to look in the mirror?
March 10, 2008 at 9:55 pm
“One guy had a great slogan based on the same idea, he had great political success with the masses with it and they cracked down pretty hard…”
Godwin’s law – you lose.
I also notice that the author of this blog deleted by earlier post. Censorship is wonderful, isn’t it?
March 10, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Jumper – The reason why I didn’t publish your previous comments was pretty simple. You used a fake email address and due to previous abusive emails I tried to make a rule that people should leave their real email addresses. I know, yours wasn’t abusive. And my rule was a stupid way of limiting abuse. The wrong people got nailed. Sorry about that. I don’t mind people not agreeing with me – hey, that’s why I have this blog. We have different ideas. So be it. Again, my apology for deleting the previous comment – send it again and I will publish.
March 11, 2008 at 3:31 am
@Jumper:
If you have a better historical example of very large scale scapegoating of an entire group of people based on ethnicity/religion/colour as a direct cause for unemployment of the “native”/”superior” population for purely populist reasons by a government, go ahead and tell me, I’ll be sure to use it instead in the future. Obviously, the analogy was also to link to the recent attempt to do so in France, given Mr. Le Pen’s well known political positions.
Stating “Godwin’s Law – you lose” without even attempting to address my points or why the analogy is flawed is not a very convincing argument for either me or anyone reading your comment in the context of a reply to mine. Funny “law” that godwin’s law, had to go look it up. I suppose it is quite relevant when people use bad “nazi” analogies for shock value. But I fail to see why this particular analogy is inappropriate. The attitude, reason and method of use, as well as the positive impact it has on how a certain section of the population views the government, would seem to make it a very good analogy to me.
The quote is inexact by the way, in case you want to be picky it was some other number of millions lower than six. For some reason I remembered six.
If you have actual arguments to show how any of what I am saying is false or unfounded, I’ll try to answer. For now I have to go work, at a job I certainly did not “steal” from any native.
April 9, 2008 at 8:20 am
pakistan
April 9, 2008 at 10:48 pm
hmm…didn’t know South Africans saw Nigerians as thugs. that’s interesting. Especially since Nigerians think favorably of South Africans (education, leisure industry, etc).
April 10, 2008 at 5:36 am
@ lw:
Seriously, where did you get your information? “the majority of Mexicans that come over refuse to try and learn english. ”
The majority refuse? Really? Yes, there are some who are proud to speak only Spanish, but by and large, children learn at school, and adults are just trying to get by, and learning a language takes time. They often don’t have time or money for formal English classes, so they must learn on the job (and in their community, although with the segregation in many areas, that doesn’t always get you too far). And many low-wage workers who interact with the public (fast-food workers, for example) don’t have many other job options. They’re not there to make your life more difficult.
I do agree that if you work with the public, after a reasonable amount of time, it’s only considerate and logical to learn basic phrases in the local language. However, give people a break. English is a very difficult language to learn. (Note the large amount of native speakers who still use bad spelling, grammar, etc.)
And your sense of history is skewed. As a student of American history, I know that many immigrants from the last 200 years held onto their languages and were slow (by your standards), even reluctant, to learn English. They all wanted to assimilate? Then where did we get all the Little Italys, Chinatowns, etc.? All the ethnic church congregations? Two-language American cities (such as my hometown, Indianapolis, which had a sizeable German-speaking population in the middle of the 19th century)? It’s common to idealize the immigrants of the past and demonize those of the present, but resist the urge.
July 10, 2011 at 4:41 pm
For the most part ur right. But as a British Asian (Pakistani) who was born and bread in England i don’t believe that it’s racist to clamp down on migration! I mean it infuriates to me to see ppl coming in while we work hard and pay taxes. I don’t look at ppls ethnicities and say this, I’m saying it based on facts! The Uk is getting flooded. It needs ta stop asap! I’m proud to be british!