Now, before I start let me remind you that my mother committed suicide by the gun. So I hate guns. Really hate guns. I have never seen anything good come from it. All my experiences have been on the wrong side of guns. People being shot in the streets of South Africa - the rock against the gun. Never a fair game. So I am bias. Live with it.
But I was watching a program on television earlier tonight - all about gun control in Massachusetts. They had the usual angle. How easy it is to buy a gun in neighboring states and bring it into Massachusetts. (Damn, still difficult to spell this states name.) How gun control is out of control. How bad guns are. How guns crimes are rising. Blah… blah… heard it all before. The interesting part came when they had two guys on arguing about the gun laws. Now, before I get into that let me remind you about a few things.
Sweet and short. Americans die from guns. And at a higher rate than anywhere else in the world. And more kids die from it here than anywhere else in the world. The rate of firearm death among kids under the age of 15 is almost 12 times higher than in 25 industrialized countries combined. American children are more at risk from firearms than children in any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. So the guns are killing the kids. Okay, the people holding the gun kill kids - then we have to do something about those people with guns I guess.
But it isn’t just an American problem. The USA’s 220 millions guns account for almost 1/3 of all the guns in the world. (What? That’s almost a gun per person - including kids. You guys are trigger/gun happy aren’t you?) American guns don’t just kill Americans - they fuel the illegal gun trade and gun violence world-wide. At least half of the illegal handguns recovered in Canada and 80% of crime guns in Mexico originate from the US. And who said America doesn’t export anything anymore. And why all the moaning and bitching about illegal immigrants when your illegal guns force them here because of all the killing back home? They just don’t know that they can’t run from the gun in Mexico because there are more waiting in the US.
I can go on and on. How guns are bought by terrorist at gun shows - remember Ali Boumelhem? How 1% of gun stores sell the guns used in 57% of crimes. How gun theft is more likely in states that don’t require strong gun storage. How only 2% of federal gun crimes are prosecuted. How the US have a history of gun “incidents” at colleges and universities. Yes. Guns are a problem over here. Anyone who denies this is an idiot. But what solution? Back to my rant for that - that wasn’t it.
This guy from the Gun Owners Action League (more like gun action if you ask me) said that the problem is that gun laws don’t work. Duh. Of course they don’t. Not when most of them are not applied or when the feds don’t prosecute. So what is the answer? The other guy from the Stop Handgun Violence (who is a gun owner himself) believes that a national law is needed. It is just too easy for someone to buy a gun illegally in another state and commit the crime here. Massachusetts might have one of the strongest gun control laws and the second lowest gun crime figure in the US (only Hawaii is better), but we still have a problem. He wants a national law to ensure that private owners still need to do a background check on people who want to buy guns. Yes. All you have to do to buy a gun without any checks is buy it from a private guy - try the dealer on the corner as he should be a private seller.
Makes sense. It won’t stop gun crimes, but it will make it a bit more difficult to sell and buy. At least Ali would have had a more difficult time buying his guns…
And what do you think the guy from the Owners League for Gun Action had to say? Sorry, meant the Gun Owners Action League… He said that all it proves is that the gun laws don’t work. And what is needed is no gun laws at all. Because if they don’t work we should have nothing at all. WTF? Is this guy for real? The law doesn’t stop people from breaking it so we should just get rid of it. Not strengthen it, just get rid of it. Not try something new. No. Just get rid of it. Okay let’s take that to its natural conclusion. Let’s get rid of the laws that doesn’t stop people from breaking them.
Firstly, let’s just get rid of all those bloody parking rules. No more money in the meter. No more fines as we won’t be breaking the laws anymore. Actually, sarcasm doesn’t work here. That’s a pretty good idea. Let’s try something else.
Let’s stick with cars for a bit though. Let’s get rid of all laws stopping us from speeding. Or driving like maniacs. And when we crash - let’s not have any laws that can find us guilty of anything. Why? Because we do find people speeding every single day. We have people driving like idiots. So the law doesn’t work. And according to the People for some Gun Action we should get rid of laws that doesn’t prevent people from breaking that law. Idiots.
Even better. Why not drop the laws that “prevent” people from stealing? People steal don’t they? So the law doesn’t stop people from breaking it - drop the law. Hum, will that stop stealing you thinkg? Idiots.
Or even killing people. People still kill. So obviously the laws that tells people not to kill doesn’t work. Just drop it then if it doesn’t work. Well, it seems to be okay for the Idiots for more Gun Action. Idiots.
And we can go on and on. The argument just doesn’t work buddy. Next up will be the law that should prevent people from flying airplanes into buildings… Idiots. Both of you.
Laws are there to try and put the guidelines there for the average law abiding person. The framework of how we more or less want to organize ourselves before chaos hits. You know - some social meaning to how we want to live in peace and harmony with each other. At least most of the time in any case. To keep the wackos in check. And make it difficult for those who want to break it. People will break laws. We must just make it more difficult for them to do so. And a strong national law will do that. Jeez, these people are allowed to have guns? Really… My kid makes more sense when telling me the latest Spongebob story. And she is 4. And she at least tries to be funny. Now - how to deal with idiots. Go back to get some Gun Action for Dummies - just don’t shoot yourself in the foot again.
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6 responses so far ↓
dimensio0 // March 13, 2008 at 9:23 am
I do not believe that you have rationally evaluated the criticism of firearms restrictions. This may be a result of your own admitted irrational dislike of firearms.
The inherent flaw of firearms restrictions is that mere possession of a firearm does not, in itself, cause any specific harm. That I own a firearm injures no parties in any fashion. As such, a law prohibiting me from owning a firearm does not serve to prevent any specific act of harm.
Acts of murder do cause demonstrable harm. As such, a law preventing an act of murder does serve to prevent a specific act of harm.
Laws against action exist as a deterrent, to create penalties in the hopes of dissuading individuals who might otherwise be motivated to engage in those actions.
While an individual who is deterred by the penalty for acts of murder — or who simply does not wish to commit murder at all — may also be deterred by a penalty on firearms ownership and consequently not own a firearm, there is little reason to expect positive benefit from an individual who has no criminal intent being prevented from possessing firearm. On the other hand, an individual who commits murder has clearly made a decision — even if only subconsciously — that the consequences of committing murder are an insufficient deterrent for the action. As the penalty for possessing a firearm in places where firearm ownership is restricted is very rarely less severe than the penalty for committing murder, it is not rational to believe that those who wish to commit murder would be deterred by any penalty for illegally possessing firearms.
EnergyEngineer // March 13, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Warped thinking in my opinion.
I am sorry for the suicide.
I won’t be crass enough to address that point.
Is it good to have a stone against a gun. Thats gun control.
“Since some have guns, we dare not lay ours aside.”
A paraphrased quote.
The founding fathers intended for us to have a universal militia. Many such as yourself and those enrolled in universities. Have layed their guns aside. Hence the violence, we are half way between no guns and have way to that universal militia.
So everyone should have a gun unless deprived by due process of law. The Gun laws are a problem if you want everyone to have a gun looked at that way. It’s all or nothing. I don’t think we can achieve ether. But all is better.
Looked at in that light your comparison to other laws don’t make sense. Repealing the law of murder will not make a difference. It will be enforced by an armed society. Our socity weilds a powerful forces. Yet the training of our children excludes dealing with these forces. Because Guns are bad. The argument extends to morals also. We don’t teach right and wrong as defined by the bible. Because voluntary moments of silence for the purpose of prayer are bad. Because our founding fathers believed in gun use that is not taught in history class in our public school because guns are bad.
Because our founding fathers believed in prayer in public schools that is not taught.
These omissions are why we don’t have the majority of students armed in collage and university shootings would have had a lot less death.
You want to ban guns. Other countries have banned guns. Iraq’s violence has dropped by how much because the NGO local millita’s stepped up and guns flooded the streets. Because we flooded the streets with men with guns.
Those other countries who droped guns are weeker.
Police are slow. The Law of the Gun is instant. The Good Guys outnumber the bad. If that ever changes we are doomed anyway and the gun issue is useless anyway. So why have we stopped training with guns. Why have we stopped prayer. The Government may not have a teacher pray but if our government ceases to make room for God, then it is only a matter of time before the children are not taught to be good. IF you want peace then you have to have law enforcement. Citizens need a minimum level of law enforcement to practice their rights. The right to assemble and speak. You have to be alive that comes from your group being stronger than the gunmen that shoots people in the streets and in universities and in Mexico and in Britain.
We dare not lay aside our guns. The technology of gun smithing can not die. Not without a govenment as big as Europe. And that is worse.
badthing // March 17, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Hi
I am deeply sorry to hear that your mother took her life no matter HOW she did it 
Unfortunately it seems that her choice was to do it with something that I wish would be gone from our planet once and for ALL. Please don’t get me wrong - I am in no way against human beings wanting to use a tool for personal self-defense - I just believe that we don’t have to rely upon guns for this defense, since we can achieve the same end with less than lethal weaponry.
Peace, Love, Understanding and Respect,
Marilyn/Badthing
Linda // March 29, 2008 at 12:29 am
I would like you to know Ali Boumelhem is my uncle my mother’s brother and you should know that his cousin was found GUILTY of conspiracy and the US has dropped all charges against my uncle. They found 2 shotguns what is a “terrorist” going to do with 2 shotguns? Terrorists do not need 2 shotguns. My uncle is not a terrorist he was framed and I would appreciate it if u would stop spreading ur damn lies! Do not refer to him as a terrorist. Terrorism is when the U.S sends billions of dollars of aid to Israel and 1200 innocent Lebanese civilians are killed. As for Hezballah, Hezballah was created because of the illegal occupation of Lebanon by ISRAEL. U want to talk about terrorism 500,000+ dead Iraqi civilians…the list goes on. So respect urself my uncle is not a terrorist u will never amount to the man he is. Do not spread lies, American media is soooooooo biased. U bigot!
mrpinkeyes // March 30, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Linda, you appear to be a flaming anti-semite. Stop trying to justify Hezballah by calling the United States the real terrrorists. You are the bigot, you are nothing but an anti-semite. Your hatred towards America is evident, and I believe you probably learned it from your “uncle.”
Robert // April 6, 2008 at 2:59 am
Idaho has classically liberal gun laws and is awash with guns, Louisiana has classically liberal gun laws and is awash with guns yet Idaho’s gun crime rate is low and Louisiana’s gun crime rate is greater by more than one magnitude. Why is that? Remember, West Virginia’s Appalachia is also awash in guns with classically liberal gun laws yet its gun crime rate is closer to Idaho’s than Louisiana’s astronomical gun crime rate. Why is that?
You mention “kids” getting shot. Those aren’t “pre-pubescent kids”, they are sub-human gangbanger homey scum ages 16-25. It is interesting that most of the gun crimes in America occurs where these yo yo yo yo homeys are. The fact that you have sympathy for them while threatening to use illegitimate government violence against Middle America right to self-defense makes you a lying scumbag.
The technological trends don’t favor gun bans anyway, your notions are obsolete.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/90?gclid=CLCN-tfLx5ECFRUmawodbmha3Q
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