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		<title>By: Danny Bloom</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Angry African,

Saw your comment at the New York Times &quot;Dot Earth&quot; blog. Glad to see you over there, too. Your voice will be very welcome, and Mr Revkin&#039;s daily posts are always insightful and illuminating, pro or con climate change.

re: what it will take? I read a comment by a bloke in the UK who said this:

&quot;When America decided to go the moonwe witnessed a nation divert huge resources into achieving that seemingly impossible goal, and they succeeded. 

The world is faced with climate disaster in the not so distant future, so why are not proportionately huge resources being diverted into developing solutions? Are we incapable of acting pro-actively and collectively?&quot;

Comment by &quot;Tailspin&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry African,</p>
<p>Saw your comment at the New York Times &#8220;Dot Earth&#8221; blog. Glad to see you over there, too. Your voice will be very welcome, and Mr Revkin&#8217;s daily posts are always insightful and illuminating, pro or con climate change.</p>
<p>re: what it will take? I read a comment by a bloke in the UK who said this:</p>
<p>&#8220;When America decided to go the moonwe witnessed a nation divert huge resources into achieving that seemingly impossible goal, and they succeeded. </p>
<p>The world is faced with climate disaster in the not so distant future, so why are not proportionately huge resources being diverted into developing solutions? Are we incapable of acting pro-actively and collectively?&#8221;</p>
<p>Comment by &#8220;Tailspin&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That  government is bad is so 1980s. They did a pretty good job with the interstate, they did a pretty good job with the jury system, they did a pretty good job with labor laws, safety laws...there are things that must be lead for the good of the people by the people. The problems with government is when the people who don&#039;t believe in the government are the one&#039;s leading it. Do you trust corporations to do the right thing? What state do you live in ? Mexicali? There needs to be rule makers, so lets have rule makers who have the common good and not the bottom line in mind when they rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That  government is bad is so 1980s. They did a pretty good job with the interstate, they did a pretty good job with the jury system, they did a pretty good job with labor laws, safety laws&#8230;there are things that must be lead for the good of the people by the people. The problems with government is when the people who don&#8217;t believe in the government are the one&#8217;s leading it. Do you trust corporations to do the right thing? What state do you live in ? Mexicali? There needs to be rule makers, so lets have rule makers who have the common good and not the bottom line in mind when they rule.</p>
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		<title>By: mrpinkeyes</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-597</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Energy Engineer on this one. I don&#039;t have a problem with taking care of the environment. I just don&#039;t want the government taking my money to solve a problem that they haven&#039;t proven exists. There is nothing wrong with being cautious, but when the government decides to fix something, they ususally break it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Energy Engineer on this one. I don&#8217;t have a problem with taking care of the environment. I just don&#8217;t want the government taking my money to solve a problem that they haven&#8217;t proven exists. There is nothing wrong with being cautious, but when the government decides to fix something, they ususally break it.</p>
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		<title>By: EnergyEngineer</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-592</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I laughed so hard.  We are all going to fry! Cause W said the opposite.   Ok you play it safe,  I am all for that.  Just don&#039;t take my money via the Government to fix the &quot;problem &quot; , Obama.  I addressing it to him because I think he is the next president.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed so hard.  We are all going to fry! Cause W said the opposite.   Ok you play it safe,  I am all for that.  Just don&#8217;t take my money via the Government to fix the &#8220;problem &#8221; , Obama.  I addressing it to him because I think he is the next president.</p>
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		<title>By: green4u</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-586</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great post, as always!!! I agree this issue is not going to go away nor do I think summer is just coming early lately. Even if we are all wrong there is still no downside in taking care of our planet a little better. I will join you an Danny in one of the pods if I have to but hopefully people will make the right choices now!

Keep up the good posts!

http://green4u.wordpress.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post, as always!!! I agree this issue is not going to go away nor do I think summer is just coming early lately. Even if we are all wrong there is still no downside in taking care of our planet a little better. I will join you an Danny in one of the pods if I have to but hopefully people will make the right choices now!</p>
<p>Keep up the good posts!</p>
<p><a href="http://green4u.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://green4u.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: danny bloom</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear AA,
Tom Moriaty, above, has a good point and it&#039;s important that he is working on a fix. I agree with him. Here&#039;s a news item that might tickle your funny bones again, too:

Polar City site to list 6.6 billion Earthlings in global roll call


Virtual &#039;global warming&#039; museum to list names of all 6.6 billion current
inhabitants of Earth, country by country, as commorative time capsule

Names will be printed on website of &#039;polar city&#039; images created by
Taiwanese artist Deng Cheng-hong, according to site curator


NEW YORK / TAIPEI -- When Taiwanese artist Deng Cheng-hong came up with a
series of computer-generated &quot;blueprints&quot; for what a future polar city
might look like for survivors of global warming in the year 2500 or
so, he had no idea that his images would find a home on the James E.
Lovelock Virtual Museum of Polar City Images, curated by American
climate blogger Danny Bloom. Although the online virtual museum has no
official connection with Dr James Lovelock on Britain, it was named in
honor of the British scientist because of his important work on
climate change and global warming, according to the museum. And Dr
Lovelock has seen the images that Deng created and said in an email to
the musem: &quot;Thank you for showing me these images. It may very well
happen and soon.&quot;

Now the online museum, which currently displays a series of 10
illustrations by Deng and has been the subject of news articles at the
New York Times and the Kansas City Star, in addition to Gizmodo, is
taking another step in emphasizing the gravity of the situation
humankind finds itself in in regards to climate change and global
warming.

Bloom said that he has embarked on an ambitious and quixotic quest to
obtain and list the names of all 6.6 billion inhabitants of the Earth as
a kind of commemorative time capsule of people who are live today. He
said that by compiling the massive list of names of all Earthlings
alive today, he hopes to emphasize the seriousness of climate change
and global warming and the possible problems they might pose for
future generations of humankind if steps are not taken now to grapple
with the issues involved.

&quot;We need to give people a positive vision of the future of polar
cities for survivors of global warming in the year 2500 or so, if
worst comes to worst, a positive vision that&#039;s worth fighting for, &quot;
Bloom said in a statement released on the Internet in April. &quot;We will
be looking at sustainable human population retreats, so-called polar
cities, where there will be a lot of social interaction, where we will
love being with each other, despite a difficult climate, despite a
difficult world in the far distant future. I think that is a really
important thing.&quot;

By compiling the list of all 6.6 billion inhabitants of Earth, Bloom
said he hopes &quot;to highlight the fact that the issues of global warming
do not involve rich nations competing against poor nations, or
rightwing pundits against environmental activists, but rather the fact
that we are all involved in the future we are creating together, in
this day and age.&quot;

To send in your own invidual name or a longer list of family members
and friends to the online virtual museum for inclusion in what Bloom
is calling a &quot;global roll call&quot;, Internet users are invited to send an
email to reporter.bloom@gmail.com

Bloom calls his effort, along with Deng&#039;s striking illustrations of
what a polar city might look like in the future, a wake-up call for
those who are still sleepwalking toward the future. He has no
particular agenda, he says, other than to help sound the climate
change alarm in a provocative yet positive way, and says his campaign
is just one among many around the world where local citizens are using
the Internet to raise awareness about the issues of global warming
that confront humanity today.



--
POLAR CITIES BLUEPRINTS:
http://pcillu101.blogspot.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear AA,<br />
Tom Moriaty, above, has a good point and it&#8217;s important that he is working on a fix. I agree with him. Here&#8217;s a news item that might tickle your funny bones again, too:</p>
<p>Polar City site to list 6.6 billion Earthlings in global roll call</p>
<p>Virtual &#8216;global warming&#8217; museum to list names of all 6.6 billion current<br />
inhabitants of Earth, country by country, as commorative time capsule</p>
<p>Names will be printed on website of &#8216;polar city&#8217; images created by<br />
Taiwanese artist Deng Cheng-hong, according to site curator</p>
<p>NEW YORK / TAIPEI &#8212; When Taiwanese artist Deng Cheng-hong came up with a<br />
series of computer-generated &#8220;blueprints&#8221; for what a future polar city<br />
might look like for survivors of global warming in the year 2500 or<br />
so, he had no idea that his images would find a home on the James E.<br />
Lovelock Virtual Museum of Polar City Images, curated by American<br />
climate blogger Danny Bloom. Although the online virtual museum has no<br />
official connection with Dr James Lovelock on Britain, it was named in<br />
honor of the British scientist because of his important work on<br />
climate change and global warming, according to the museum. And Dr<br />
Lovelock has seen the images that Deng created and said in an email to<br />
the musem: &#8220;Thank you for showing me these images. It may very well<br />
happen and soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now the online museum, which currently displays a series of 10<br />
illustrations by Deng and has been the subject of news articles at the<br />
New York Times and the Kansas City Star, in addition to Gizmodo, is<br />
taking another step in emphasizing the gravity of the situation<br />
humankind finds itself in in regards to climate change and global<br />
warming.</p>
<p>Bloom said that he has embarked on an ambitious and quixotic quest to<br />
obtain and list the names of all 6.6 billion inhabitants of the Earth as<br />
a kind of commemorative time capsule of people who are live today. He<br />
said that by compiling the massive list of names of all Earthlings<br />
alive today, he hopes to emphasize the seriousness of climate change<br />
and global warming and the possible problems they might pose for<br />
future generations of humankind if steps are not taken now to grapple<br />
with the issues involved.</p>
<p>&#8220;We need to give people a positive vision of the future of polar<br />
cities for survivors of global warming in the year 2500 or so, if<br />
worst comes to worst, a positive vision that&#8217;s worth fighting for, &#8221;<br />
Bloom said in a statement released on the Internet in April. &#8220;We will<br />
be looking at sustainable human population retreats, so-called polar<br />
cities, where there will be a lot of social interaction, where we will<br />
love being with each other, despite a difficult climate, despite a<br />
difficult world in the far distant future. I think that is a really<br />
important thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>By compiling the list of all 6.6 billion inhabitants of Earth, Bloom<br />
said he hopes &#8220;to highlight the fact that the issues of global warming<br />
do not involve rich nations competing against poor nations, or<br />
rightwing pundits against environmental activists, but rather the fact<br />
that we are all involved in the future we are creating together, in<br />
this day and age.&#8221;</p>
<p>To send in your own invidual name or a longer list of family members<br />
and friends to the online virtual museum for inclusion in what Bloom<br />
is calling a &#8220;global roll call&#8221;, Internet users are invited to send an<br />
email to <a href="mailto:reporter.bloom@gmail.com">reporter.bloom@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Bloom calls his effort, along with Deng&#8217;s striking illustrations of<br />
what a polar city might look like in the future, a wake-up call for<br />
those who are still sleepwalking toward the future. He has no<br />
particular agenda, he says, other than to help sound the climate<br />
change alarm in a provocative yet positive way, and says his campaign<br />
is just one among many around the world where local citizens are using<br />
the Internet to raise awareness about the issues of global warming<br />
that confront humanity today.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
POLAR CITIES BLUEPRINTS:<br />
<a href="http://pcillu101.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://pcillu101.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: tommoriarty</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-581</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Angry African,

I am repeating my last comment because I forgot link....

As a scientist with a dozen years or experience working on solar energy, I am one or those guys who “are working on a few solutions.” Likewise, as a scientist I am very wary of the the hysteria surrounding global warming.

On a somewhat boring scientific note you can see that  href=&quot;http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/gores-assertion-that-polar-bears-will-become-extinct-due-to-global-warming-is-an-alarmist-exaggeration/&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;the arctic was very likely warmer &lt;/B&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in the early or mid-holocene than it is now. (The Holocene is the twelve thousand year old geologic epoch in which we live.)

st Regards,
ClimateSanity]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Angry African,</p>
<p>I am repeating my last comment because I forgot link&#8230;.</p>
<p>As a scientist with a dozen years or experience working on solar energy, I am one or those guys who “are working on a few solutions.” Likewise, as a scientist I am very wary of the the hysteria surrounding global warming.</p>
<p>On a somewhat boring scientific note you can see that  href=&#8221;http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/gores-assertion-that-polar-bears-will-become-extinct-due-to-global-warming-is-an-alarmist-exaggeration/&#8221;&gt;<b>the arctic was very likely warmer </b> in the early or mid-holocene than it is now. (The Holocene is the twelve thousand year old geologic epoch in which we live.)</p>
<p>st Regards,<br />
ClimateSanity</p>
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		<title>By: tommoriarty</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tommoriarty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Angry African,

As a scientist with &lt;a href=&quot;http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;a dozen years or experience &lt;/B&gt;&lt;/a&gt;working on solar energy, I am one or those guys who &quot;are working on a few solutions.&quot;  Likewise, as a scientist I am very wary of the the hysteria surrounding global warming.

On a somewhat boring scientific note you can see here that arctic was very likely warmer in the early or mid-holocene than it is now. (The Holocene is the twelve thousand year old geologic epoch in which we live.)

st Regards,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;B&gt;ClimateSanity&lt;/B&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Angry African,</p>
<p>As a scientist with <a href="http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/about/" rel="nofollow"><b>a dozen years or experience </b></a>working on solar energy, I am one or those guys who &#8220;are working on a few solutions.&#8221;  Likewise, as a scientist I am very wary of the the hysteria surrounding global warming.</p>
<p>On a somewhat boring scientific note you can see here that arctic was very likely warmer in the early or mid-holocene than it is now. (The Holocene is the twelve thousand year old geologic epoch in which we live.)</p>
<p>st Regards,<br />
<a href="http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/about/" rel="nofollow"><b>ClimateSanity</b></a></p>
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		<title>By: Danny Bloom</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Angry African, on a more seriousnote: An expert in climate change communication issues, told me in a private email:

[”RE: your polar cities idea as a PR tool and a prod, as depicted in the Angry African blog, I feel that people need to be more than scared to take action. Dark visions, or even - for techno-geeks - intriguing visions of a very different future I don’t think are enough. People need to be convinced
- WHY they should engage on this and do something
- HOW action is going to make a difference
- WHAT precisely they personally can do, and that this action - collectively with others doing the same or additional things - will change the trajectory
and then they need lots of hope, encouragement and reinforcement with abiding motivations (deeply held values) to get them and keep them going.

It’s a tough assignment - your polar city ideas will reach and engage some, and those will be important to bring along. No silver bullet here. We all tick slightly differently.”]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry African, on a more seriousnote: An expert in climate change communication issues, told me in a private email:</p>
<p>[”RE: your polar cities idea as a PR tool and a prod, as depicted in the Angry African blog, I feel that people need to be more than scared to take action. Dark visions, or even - for techno-geeks - intriguing visions of a very different future I don’t think are enough. People need to be convinced<br />
- WHY they should engage on this and do something<br />
- HOW action is going to make a difference<br />
- WHAT precisely they personally can do, and that this action - collectively with others doing the same or additional things - will change the trajectory<br />
and then they need lots of hope, encouragement and reinforcement with abiding motivations (deeply held values) to get them and keep them going.</p>
<p>It’s a tough assignment - your polar city ideas will reach and engage some, and those will be important to bring along. No silver bullet here. We all tick slightly differently.”]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Bloom</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/09/heating-up-time-to-worry/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, reading you loud and clear. This was one of the best &quot;polar city&quot; send-ups ever written, with wit and insight, and I loved it. Thanks, Angry African for a very good rant on the polar city theme. Humor helps us get through these things, these difficult times, and while it&#039;s most highly likely probably certain that humankind (and human mean!) will never need these God-forsaken polar cities in the year 2500 or so, it&#039;s a good mental exercise to just think about them, see what they might look like visually, and these are not the only blueprints, other designers are working on newer designs as well, some underground, some above ground, some floating on water anchored to stilts that move up and down with the tides, and whatever the future will be, it might be a good idea to &quot;be prepared&quot; for whatever comes down the  highway, whether it be Mad Max or Cormac McCarthy&#039;s new novel &quot;The Road&quot;.

I&#039;m with you: let&#039;s hope we never need polar cities.  And yes, time for a cuppa tea, I think you are right.

Bottoms up! Oh, wait a minute, that&#039;s not tea is it? A good cold beer!

Kampai!

http://northwardho.blogspot.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, reading you loud and clear. This was one of the best &#8220;polar city&#8221; send-ups ever written, with wit and insight, and I loved it. Thanks, Angry African for a very good rant on the polar city theme. Humor helps us get through these things, these difficult times, and while it&#8217;s most highly likely probably certain that humankind (and human mean!) will never need these God-forsaken polar cities in the year 2500 or so, it&#8217;s a good mental exercise to just think about them, see what they might look like visually, and these are not the only blueprints, other designers are working on newer designs as well, some underground, some above ground, some floating on water anchored to stilts that move up and down with the tides, and whatever the future will be, it might be a good idea to &#8220;be prepared&#8221; for whatever comes down the  highway, whether it be Mad Max or Cormac McCarthy&#8217;s new novel &#8220;The Road&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you: let&#8217;s hope we never need polar cities.  And yes, time for a cuppa tea, I think you are right.</p>
<p>Bottoms up! Oh, wait a minute, that&#8217;s not tea is it? A good cold beer!</p>
<p>Kampai!</p>
<p><a href="http://northwardho.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://northwardho.blogspot.com</a></p>
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