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	<description>I have opinions. I am from Africa. I live here now. I blog.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The good old days of Apartheid by donthateplease</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/19/the-good-old-days-of-apartheid/#comment-9051</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 20:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I not condonning apartheid in anyway, but acording to the truth an reconsiliation records, up to 90 persent of all the murders you speak of in the township and homelands were black on black aggression betweem the ANC and their oppisition, PAC I think. Most of it ocurring between 1985 and 1994. I would also like to mention that all the murders that occured durring the apartheid era, close 25 000 I believe, is only a fraction of the South Africa&#039;s yearly murders which is about 50 to 60 thousand. Also, when comparing statistics of then and now, taking in account crime rate, life expectancy, infant mortality, accses to health care and clinics ect. life under apartheid was statistically better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I not condonning apartheid in anyway, but acording to the truth an reconsiliation records, up to 90 persent of all the murders you speak of in the township and homelands were black on black aggression betweem the ANC and their oppisition, PAC I think. Most of it ocurring between 1985 and 1994. I would also like to mention that all the murders that occured durring the apartheid era, close 25 000 I believe, is only a fraction of the South Africa&#8217;s yearly murders which is about 50 to 60 thousand. Also, when comparing statistics of then and now, taking in account crime rate, life expectancy, infant mortality, accses to health care and clinics ect. life under apartheid was statistically better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I will do anything&#8230;™ by PatienceIsBeauty</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/23/i-will-do-anything/#comment-9044</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was so uplifting,thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was so uplifting,thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The little girl in the blue house&#8230; by PatienceIsBeauty</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really love this story!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on My beef with Fairtrade by Henk Campher</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/02/21/my-beef-with-fairtrade/#comment-8981</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Patrick- thanks for the comment. In fairness, the blog is a bit dated and I know you guys have strengthened the system - especially around the environmental issues. You should also look at my blog &quot;In Defense Of Fair Trade&quot;. My final judgment is based on a simple question: Is the world a better place because of Fair Trade? Abso-bloody-lutely! Fair Trade isn&#039;t perfect, but it is way better than the alternative. And, of course, the world would be an even better place if more companies and organizations can support it. I do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Patrick- thanks for the comment. In fairness, the blog is a bit dated and I know you guys have strengthened the system &#8211; especially around the environmental issues. You should also look at my blog &#8220;In Defense Of Fair Trade&#8221;. My final judgment is based on a simple question: Is the world a better place because of Fair Trade? Abso-bloody-lutely! Fair Trade isn&#8217;t perfect, but it is way better than the alternative. And, of course, the world would be an even better place if more companies and organizations can support it. I do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I just loooove your accent!™ by matt</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/02/i-just-loooove-your-accent/#comment-8898</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We recently went to the uk and were mistaken for american and australian... Most people could tell we were from cape town though - apparently we have a slightly different accent to the rest of the country. The states on the other hand really had no clue where we were from. It probably has to do with the fact that a lot of white English South Africans have considerable British ancestry and so the UK is more used to saffers visiting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We recently went to the uk and were mistaken for american and australian&#8230; Most people could tell we were from cape town though &#8211; apparently we have a slightly different accent to the rest of the country. The states on the other hand really had no clue where we were from. It probably has to do with the fact that a lot of white English South Africans have considerable British ancestry and so the UK is more used to saffers visiting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My beef with Fairtrade by Fairtrade Foundation</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/02/21/my-beef-with-fairtrade/#comment-8657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fairtrade Foundation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

Good blog, to try and address some of your points;

First of all you are right that we work with small farmer organisations and cooperatives, and encourage small farmers to form their own organisations. We do recognise that not all farmers are organised in this way. It is very difficult for individual smallholders to add value or access markets on their own, without going through a whole series of middlemen – and also both difficult and expensive to access certification on an individual basis. By organising themselves into cooperatives and associations, farmers can share knowledge, equipment and try to access markets together. It is also important for ensuring democratic decision making of the use of Fairtrade premiums – as the idea of Fairtrade is not that these end up in individual pockets, but are invested for the common good of the wider community.
 
Regarding environmental criteria, all Fairtrade certified producers are required to comply with the international Fairtrade environmental standard as part of  the requirements of certification. The standard requires producers to ensure that they protect the natural environment and make environmental protection a part of farm management. Producers are also encouraged to minimize the use of energy, especially energy from non-renewable sources. You might be interested to read our discussion paper ‘Egalité, Fraternité, Sustainabilité: How the climate revolution must be a fair revolution.’ The Fairtrade movement has always fought to support small farmers in their quest to find solutions to the challenges they face. As the climate crisis looms we will continue to do so. Our experience and networks mean that we are uniquely placed to play a specific role in the global response to climate change.

Regarding your point about communicating the price paid to the farmers, thank you for making this distinction – it is right there is a difference between the price to the coop, and the price to the individual farmer. Our own information talks about the price paid to the producer organisation, and our pricing charts (http://www.fairtrade.net/793.html ) are clear whether the minimum Fairtrade prices refer to farmgate or FOB (free on board). The current minimum price for Fairtrade Arabica coffee is $1.40 plus $0.20 premium – paid to the cooperative at FOB. If the market price rises above $1.40 then the market price applies. You are absolutely right that the cooperative makes its own decision about how much to buy from its members at, and this can vary depending on what services they are running and how much these cost – our audits check that decisions taken about farmer payments are taken democratically with the participation of the coop members.  

In response to your fourth point; there are a lot of different people and organisations involved in Fairtrade, from producers to businesses to campaigners, so there are a lot of different opinions within the movement as a whole. From our point of view, where there are producers wishing to sell to a company on Fairtrade terms, and the company is also willing to commit to Fairtrade standards, we should always be open to working with them to make it happen, even if other people do not agree.

Finally, regarding certification fees - as with any certification scheme (Rainforest Alliance, Organic, Fairtrade) farmers must pay for certification, as it involves auditing and visiting farms and organisations, and someone has to pay professional auditors to carry out this work. In the case of Fairtrade, there is a Producer Certification Fund to which farmers groups can apply for up to 75% of the certification fee, if they do not have this money. Farmers certification fees are paid directly to the auditing body, not to the Fairtrade Foundation. 

In fact, Fairtrade used not to charge producers for certification – the problem was that this led to a lack of money to pay for the auditors, and a huge bottleneck with long waits for certification. The decision to start charging fees was therefore taken with the participation of producer organisations themselves – it also ensures that they own the certificate themselves, not anyone else. The certification fees for producers are not based on per pound sold (this happened in the past but not any more), but on the size and complexity of the organisation being certified ie. the number of days required for the audit and analysis. Initial certification according to FLO-CERT fee structure would be $2,050 for a coop of 50-100 farmers, rising to $4000 for more than 1000. We’d love to find ways of bringing costs down further in the future. 

Fairtrade Foundation]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Good blog, to try and address some of your points;</p>
<p>First of all you are right that we work with small farmer organisations and cooperatives, and encourage small farmers to form their own organisations. We do recognise that not all farmers are organised in this way. It is very difficult for individual smallholders to add value or access markets on their own, without going through a whole series of middlemen – and also both difficult and expensive to access certification on an individual basis. By organising themselves into cooperatives and associations, farmers can share knowledge, equipment and try to access markets together. It is also important for ensuring democratic decision making of the use of Fairtrade premiums – as the idea of Fairtrade is not that these end up in individual pockets, but are invested for the common good of the wider community.</p>
<p>Regarding environmental criteria, all Fairtrade certified producers are required to comply with the international Fairtrade environmental standard as part of  the requirements of certification. The standard requires producers to ensure that they protect the natural environment and make environmental protection a part of farm management. Producers are also encouraged to minimize the use of energy, especially energy from non-renewable sources. You might be interested to read our discussion paper ‘Egalité, Fraternité, Sustainabilité: How the climate revolution must be a fair revolution.’ The Fairtrade movement has always fought to support small farmers in their quest to find solutions to the challenges they face. As the climate crisis looms we will continue to do so. Our experience and networks mean that we are uniquely placed to play a specific role in the global response to climate change.</p>
<p>Regarding your point about communicating the price paid to the farmers, thank you for making this distinction – it is right there is a difference between the price to the coop, and the price to the individual farmer. Our own information talks about the price paid to the producer organisation, and our pricing charts (<a href="http://www.fairtrade.net/793.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairtrade.net/793.html</a> ) are clear whether the minimum Fairtrade prices refer to farmgate or FOB (free on board). The current minimum price for Fairtrade Arabica coffee is $1.40 plus $0.20 premium – paid to the cooperative at FOB. If the market price rises above $1.40 then the market price applies. You are absolutely right that the cooperative makes its own decision about how much to buy from its members at, and this can vary depending on what services they are running and how much these cost – our audits check that decisions taken about farmer payments are taken democratically with the participation of the coop members.  </p>
<p>In response to your fourth point; there are a lot of different people and organisations involved in Fairtrade, from producers to businesses to campaigners, so there are a lot of different opinions within the movement as a whole. From our point of view, where there are producers wishing to sell to a company on Fairtrade terms, and the company is also willing to commit to Fairtrade standards, we should always be open to working with them to make it happen, even if other people do not agree.</p>
<p>Finally, regarding certification fees &#8211; as with any certification scheme (Rainforest Alliance, Organic, Fairtrade) farmers must pay for certification, as it involves auditing and visiting farms and organisations, and someone has to pay professional auditors to carry out this work. In the case of Fairtrade, there is a Producer Certification Fund to which farmers groups can apply for up to 75% of the certification fee, if they do not have this money. Farmers certification fees are paid directly to the auditing body, not to the Fairtrade Foundation. </p>
<p>In fact, Fairtrade used not to charge producers for certification – the problem was that this led to a lack of money to pay for the auditors, and a huge bottleneck with long waits for certification. The decision to start charging fees was therefore taken with the participation of producer organisations themselves – it also ensures that they own the certificate themselves, not anyone else. The certification fees for producers are not based on per pound sold (this happened in the past but not any more), but on the size and complexity of the organisation being certified ie. the number of days required for the audit and analysis. Initial certification according to FLO-CERT fee structure would be $2,050 for a coop of 50-100 farmers, rising to $4000 for more than 1000. We’d love to find ways of bringing costs down further in the future. </p>
<p>Fairtrade Foundation</p>
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		<title>Comment on The little girl in the blue house&#8230; by Jill of All Trades</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2010/03/16/the-little-girl-in-the-blue-house-revisited/#comment-8459</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just found this blog, but I hope you start it up again.  It&#039;s very powerful-the style and the content.  I love the brutal rawness you discuss your background in Africa.  There something so similar to my story though the details are different. As for this post, It&#039;s funny how we can be aware of the statistics neglected children, but then it will be one random child who for some reason haunts you...in some tired way...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this blog, but I hope you start it up again.  It&#8217;s very powerful-the style and the content.  I love the brutal rawness you discuss your background in Africa.  There something so similar to my story though the details are different. As for this post, It&#8217;s funny how we can be aware of the statistics neglected children, but then it will be one random child who for some reason haunts you&#8230;in some tired way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gun control for idiots by Ferdinandebull</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/12/gun-control-for-idiots/#comment-8122</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is not the guns we have constitutional protected rights in the USA. Frankly I could give a shit about gun crime in Mexico or Canada .

But your mother shooting herself was horrible. My cousin hung himself. A lot of people hang themselves. Kids get strangled in blind cords. It is horrible those evil rope and cordage owning people.....

An object is an object. I hunt I target, I carry a gun for a living. My guns are perfectly safe. And protected by 200 plus years of]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not the guns we have constitutional protected rights in the USA. Frankly I could give a shit about gun crime in Mexico or Canada .</p>
<p>But your mother shooting herself was horrible. My cousin hung himself. A lot of people hang themselves. Kids get strangled in blind cords. It is horrible those evil rope and cordage owning people&#8230;..</p>
<p>An object is an object. I hunt I target, I carry a gun for a living. My guns are perfectly safe. And protected by 200 plus years of</p>
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		<title>Comment on How I love my wife by Uchenna_girl</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/09/15/how-i-love-my-wife/#comment-8119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uchenna_girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beautiful! I&#039;ve being searching online for a post like this and all I could find was: I care for my wife but I love another woman, I don&#039;t love her anymore and more. It&#039;s nice to find posts that still hold on to marriage. I appreciate this post even more than love-at-first-sight posts, love-but-can&#039;t-have-her-posts and even cute-pre-marriage-love posts because this shows that love can exist even long after marriage. Thanks for posting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful! I&#8217;ve being searching online for a post like this and all I could find was: I care for my wife but I love another woman, I don&#8217;t love her anymore and more. It&#8217;s nice to find posts that still hold on to marriage. I appreciate this post even more than love-at-first-sight posts, love-but-can&#8217;t-have-her-posts and even cute-pre-marriage-love posts because this shows that love can exist even long after marriage. Thanks for posting!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oxfam, my salary and me (2002) by Nani</title>
		<link>http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/13/an-accidental-activist-oxfam-my-salary-and-me-2002-2/#comment-8030</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want truly thank you for this post. I am a young African myself graduating from college in 15 days and I am at that critical stage where by I need to make a choice of whether to enter the humanitarian career path or just go to law school and be a soccer mum worrying about my children in a small town. 
Its tough out there and am ready for a rest. Law school here I come...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want truly thank you for this post. I am a young African myself graduating from college in 15 days and I am at that critical stage where by I need to make a choice of whether to enter the humanitarian career path or just go to law school and be a soccer mum worrying about my children in a small town.<br />
Its tough out there and am ready for a rest. Law school here I come&#8230;</p>
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